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	<title>Comments on: Bootstrap using &#8220;YUI Loader&#8221; and &#8220;YUI Get Utility&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: In the Wild for May 11, 2009 &#124; rapid-DEV.net</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>In the Wild for May 11, 2009 &#124; rapid-DEV.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Caridy Patino Mayea on Using YUI&#8217;s Bootstrapping Capabilities: Caridy, author of the popular Bubbling Library extensions for YUI, writes in with a new blog post about bootstrapping: &#8220;In this article, I will focus on YUI 2.x and specifically, how you can design your application to use the YUI on-demand capabilities in such a way that the transition to YUI 3.x will be straightforward. The main goal is to describe how we can use YUI to organize the code and learn how to deal with on-demand loading processes&#8230;&#8221;&#160; Check out his full post for more details. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Caridy Patino Mayea on Using YUI&#8217;s Bootstrapping Capabilities: Caridy, author of the popular Bubbling Library extensions for YUI, writes in with a new blog post about bootstrapping: &#8220;In this article, I will focus on YUI 2.x and specifically, how you can design your application to use the YUI on-demand capabilities in such a way that the transition to YUI 3.x will be straightforward. The main goal is to describe how we can use YUI to organize the code and learn how to deal with on-demand loading processes&#8230;&#8221;&nbsp; Check out his full post for more details. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: caridy</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>caridy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric,

Lets continue this discussion at the YUILibrary Forum in the thread that you started few days ago:  

http://yuilibrary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=382&amp;start=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric,</p>
<p>Lets continue this discussion at the YUILibrary Forum in the thread that you started few days ago:  </p>
<p><a href="http://yuilibrary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&#038;t=382&#038;start=0" rel="nofollow">http://yuilibrary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&#038;t=382&#038;start=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ferraiuolo</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ferraiuolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Caridy What I meant by: 

&quot;The one major drawback to the YUI Loader is it’s need to synchronize the loading of script files. The newest browsers are introducing better parallel script downloading support; it’s useful to tap into this.&quot;

Is that using the YUI Loader will force you into a HTTP waterfall when loading JavaScript and CSS files, and not allow newer browsers like Safari 4 (and I imagine Firefox 3.5) to use parallel or eager script loading. As it queues up the dependency resources to load, and loads them one-by-one.

Now that being said, using combo handling will help this HTTP waterfall issue tremendously. Although I&#039;m still somewhat worried about how browsers cache the combo-handled requests as they have query-string parameters when loaded from the Yahoo CDN, something that proxies and older browsers might not cache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Caridy What I meant by: </p>
<p>&#8220;The one major drawback to the YUI Loader is it’s need to synchronize the loading of script files. The newest browsers are introducing better parallel script downloading support; it’s useful to tap into this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that using the YUI Loader will force you into a HTTP waterfall when loading JavaScript and CSS files, and not allow newer browsers like Safari 4 (and I imagine Firefox 3.5) to use parallel or eager script loading. As it queues up the dependency resources to load, and loads them one-by-one.</p>
<p>Now that being said, using combo handling will help this HTTP waterfall issue tremendously. Although I&#8217;m still somewhat worried about how browsers cache the combo-handled requests as they have query-string parameters when loaded from the Yahoo CDN, something that proxies and older browsers might not cache.</p>
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		<title>By: caridy</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>caridy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric, 

1: &quot;Conjuring YUI from thin air&quot;
I see few benefits:
- The ability to include a 1k script (or doing it inline) to populate a your (18k script yuiloader-dom-event.js) without blocking the loading process.
- A single object will be able to insert yuiloader, setting the preferences (including custom modules) and firing the initialization process when the loader gets ready.

2: YUI Loader, drawback:
Ops, I didn&#039;t get it. Can you elaborate on that?

3: YUI3 Modules + Custom Modules
Totally agree. For me this is the way to go in YUI 3.x. 
In YUI 2.x we should have a similar approach, just for the sake of a smoothly transition. I will try to implement an advanced bootstrap object to emulate the YUI 3.x behavior on YUI 2.x.

BTW, Thanks for the feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric, </p>
<p>1: &#8220;Conjuring YUI from thin air&#8221;<br />
I see few benefits:<br />
- The ability to include a 1k script (or doing it inline) to populate a your (18k script yuiloader-dom-event.js) without blocking the loading process.<br />
- A single object will be able to insert yuiloader, setting the preferences (including custom modules) and firing the initialization process when the loader gets ready.</p>
<p>2: YUI Loader, drawback:<br />
Ops, I didn&#8217;t get it. Can you elaborate on that?</p>
<p>3: YUI3 Modules + Custom Modules<br />
Totally agree. For me this is the way to go in YUI 3.x.<br />
In YUI 2.x we should have a similar approach, just for the sake of a smoothly transition. I will try to implement an advanced bootstrap object to emulate the YUI 3.x behavior on YUI 2.x.</p>
<p>BTW, Thanks for the feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ferraiuolo</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Ferraiuolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unclear to be the benefits of &quot;Conjuring YUI from thin air&quot;.

My practice over the last year or so (form whenever YUI Loader was introduced) is to have one script node on my page to seed YUI with the loader; I&#039;ve tended to prefer the yuiloader-dom-event.js file. This script node would be followed by my application code which would assume YUI, Loader, Dom, and Event are present (via the seed file).

The one major drawback to the YUI Loader is it&#039;s need to synchronize the loading of script files. The newest browsers are introducing better parallel script downloading support; it&#039;s useful to tap into this.

For YUI3, I&#039;m looking to how at my company, we can leverage loading YUI using the combo-handling feature, while also specifying our own, custom YUI3 module and their dependencies in the YUI instance config object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unclear to be the benefits of &#8220;Conjuring YUI from thin air&#8221;.</p>
<p>My practice over the last year or so (form whenever YUI Loader was introduced) is to have one script node on my page to seed YUI with the loader; I&#8217;ve tended to prefer the yuiloader-dom-event.js file. This script node would be followed by my application code which would assume YUI, Loader, Dom, and Event are present (via the seed file).</p>
<p>The one major drawback to the YUI Loader is it&#8217;s need to synchronize the loading of script files. The newest browsers are introducing better parallel script downloading support; it&#8217;s useful to tap into this.</p>
<p>For YUI3, I&#8217;m looking to how at my company, we can leverage loading YUI using the combo-handling feature, while also specifying our own, custom YUI3 module and their dependencies in the YUI instance config object.</p>
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		<title>By: In the Wild for May 11, 2009 &#187; Yahoo! User Interface Blog</title>
		<link>http://caridy.name/2009/05/bootstrap-using-yui-loader-and-yui-get-utility/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>In the Wild for May 11, 2009 &#187; Yahoo! User Interface Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] notes on using Dav Glass&#8217;s YUI Rich Text Editor to enhance Django Admin. (Original source.)Caridy Patino Mayea on Using YUI&#8217;s Bootstrapping Capabilities: Caridy, author of the popular Bubbling Library extensions for YUI, writes in with a new blog post [...]</description>
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